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A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Abicion on Sat Nov 27, 2010 3:02 am

Everything that happens after episode 8 is a vivid, increasingly deranged hallucination created by Akane's frail mind as she silently sits in the corner of her solitary confinement room in the First District's mental ward. Everything. The continued Orphan attacks, Artemis, the Searrs invasion, the Obsidian Lord, and the HiME festival are an all attempt on Akane's part to give meaning to Kazu-kun's death.

The reason why episode 9 is the beach vacation fanservice episode is because Akane is imagining her classmates being as vulnerable as she was in the previous episode. This is symbolized through the girls spending the entire episode wearing skimpy bathing suits and not much else.

When the HiME festival starts, each character represents a different part of Akane's now-fractured psyche. Mikoto, Shiho, and Nao are manifestations of Akane's rage and jealously toward the other Fuuka Academy students still having loved ones to call their own. Shizuru is Akane's unbridled lust resulting from the happy sex life she was denied when Kazu-kun was killed. Natsuki is her self-doubt and fear of being defeated again. Fumi is her unconditional, caring devotion to Kazu-kun. Mai, Midori, Yukino and Akira are Akane's final moral restraints toward killing others. Yukariko initially falls under this category, too, but she slowly changes as Kazu-kun (Ishigami) reminds her to avenge his death.

btw, the reason why Yukariko and Ishigami are older than any other pairing in the show, Yukariko is pregnant, and Yukariko commits suicide is because these characters represent a future Akane can never have with Kazu-kun, and Akane's mind slowly realizes this.

Like in the movie Identity, Akane's separate personas battle each other to determine who deserves Kazu-kun the most. As they systematically kill eachother to no avail (i.e. nothing changes the fact Kazuya is dead and never coming back), Akane begins to realize that she's too weak to save Kazu-kun even in her own fantasy, so order has to be restored by the one entity that started her suffering: Miyu.

When the fighting is stopped, Akane's wounded mind does the only thing it still has the semblance to do: Imagine things as they were at the beginning of episode 8, and simply pretend Kazu-kun never died in the first place. Hence, Mai Hime's final episode.

Now imagining herself in Kazu-kun's arms, Akane lets go of the final thin threads of reality she was still clinging to. In the real world, a crazed but peaceful smile appears on her face.



It's Only The Fairy Tale She Believes.



How do you feel about this?

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by RedEyedWolf on Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:49 am

oh my god....
i'm not sure you realize how epic you are at this moment


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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by denerop on Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:12 am

so.. without miyu killing harry, Mai HiME wouldn't exist?
GO MIYU :D

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Highman on Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:22 pm

Just say the HiME are living of that fairy tale ? Akane made a mental error and Miyu got the advantage of her plus she should be thankful it wasn't the end of her lovely relationship with Kazuya. For Kazuya sake, he's maybe the next harem for being the a true ladies man. Now how's he going to have good time with women when Akane busting her ass against other Materializers and saving the world.

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Abicion on Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:47 pm

Highman wrote:Akane made a mental error
By failing to assume Miyu was a Terminator sent to blow up her robot cat for some reason that remains unexplained to this day?

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Highman on Sat Dec 04, 2010 2:18 am

Abicion wrote:
Highman wrote:Akane made a mental error
By failing to assume Miyu was a Terminator sent to blow up her robot cat for some reason that remains unexplained to this day?

Well Akane made two mental errors, we know she isn't Krillin list of being inferior. To me Akane is a good teenage girl who ought to be Fuuka's best Orphan sweeper but Miyu took all the fun when disposing Hari. It would be amazing to have an arc settle bygones between bygones of Miyu and Akane. Just to see how Akane would do drastically with a pissed off android and loli who should be dead along time ago.

Some say rivalries create the best fun that every viewer can have.

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Abicion on Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:32 am

There are aspects of the show that seem to imply Akane was supposed the First District's personal Orphan exterminator, sort of like what Alyssa is to Searrs and what Mikoto is to Obsidian Lord. While Mai, Mikoto, and Natsuki are pretty much instantly aware of each other, Akane seems to be oblivious to the concept of other HiME existing and defending the world. There's also the fact the First District is surprisingly swift in recovering what's left of Akane in the bamboo forest and putting her into hiding, when they don't even bother keeping track of any of the other defeated HiME.

And, hell, I'll say it. I actually liked how Akane clearly showed inexperience and struggled during her battle with the episode 8 Orphan. God forbid a show heralded by a large portion of its fanbase as a deep and well-written deconstruction of the Magical Girl genre features a character who realistically portrays what actually happens when you suddenly militarize a schoolgirl against an alien invasion. I mean, that's why Unbreakable worked as a superhero deconstruction. Bruce Willis's big debut at the end of the movie wasn't a one-sided, highly choreographed fight sequence bordering on a synchronized dance routine; it was a big sloppy brawl in some guy's living room, just with one combatant that took getting smashed into the wall a little better than the average fighter.

But of course, it all means nothing, the Akane subplot is immediately dropped in the anime, and everything you're outlining, Highman, would require Sunrise to actually develop her character into having some sort of point beyond shock value, and that obviously has nooo place in Mai Hime canon. They're clearly too busy with far more important things, like baking cakes and making Shizuru look a million times more awesome than everyone else.

I am so bitter and disillusioned.

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Highman on Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:23 am

Abicion wrote:There are aspects of the show that seem to imply Akane was supposed the First District's personal Orphan exterminator, sort of like what Alyssa is to Searrs and what Mikoto is to Obsidian Lord. While Mai, Mikoto, and Natsuki are pretty much instantly aware of each other, Akane seems to be oblivious to the concept of other HiME existing and defending the world. There's also the fact the First District is surprisingly swift in recovering what's left of Akane in the bamboo forest and putting her into hiding, when they don't even bother keeping track of any of the other defeated HiME.

And, hell, I'll say it. I actually liked how Akane clearly showed inexperience and struggled during her battle with the episode 8 Orphan. God forbid a show heralded by a large portion of its fanbase as a deep and well-written deconstruction of the Magical Girl genre features a character who realistically portrays what actually happens when you suddenly militarize a schoolgirl against an alien invasion. I mean, that's why Unbreakable worked as a superhero deconstruction. Bruce Willis's big debut at the end of the movie wasn't a one-sided, highly choreographed fight sequence bordering on a synchronized dance routine; it was a big sloppy brawl in some guy's living room, just with one combatant that took getting smashed into the wall a little better than the average fighter.

But of course, it all means nothing, the Akane subplot is immediately dropped in the anime, and everything you're outlining, Highman, would require Sunrise to actually develop her character into having some sort of point beyond shock value, and that obviously has nooo place in Mai Hime canon. They're clearly too busy with far more important things, like baking cakes and making Shizuru look a million times more awesome than everyone else.

I am so bitter and disillusioned.

Well here's a protip, everyone dropped EXA because of Akane losing every time Mai burned Hari to the ground. Akane is main character and when say main character I mean "main character" to the HiME's. Sunrise won't make her an laughing stock too much, Akane may become a pivotal character for upcoming arcs as a anti-hero. Deep down inside you won't pity her and she'll beat Miyu.

Speaking of hard life for Akane's family, read a fanfic not long time ago about Akane's past. Her father is in jail for murder. Nagi was there to pull strings with Akane and fight Orphans.

Akane is a great character and fun to watch but believe when the time comes to face her demons. Her emotions could become life and death, soon Kazuya may not stop it.

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Abicion on Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:04 pm

Highman wrote:Well here's a protip, everyone dropped EXA because of Akane losing every time Mai burned Hari to the ground.
And those people have no taste.

The funny thing is, EXA's depiction of Akane is the fairest one yet. She's made to look formidable and she nearly kills Mikoto and Mai in her only HiME appearance. She fights with all of her heart for someone she legitimately cares for, and is only stopped by Kagutsuchi godmodding all over the place. She even does her own little version of the Crazy Eyes for a couple of panels.



And, after Akane's defeated, unlike Miyu (who's literally a machine programmed not to give a crap, avoiding such inconveniences as PLOT REPERCUSSIONS and CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT), Mai reacts quite badly upon realizing what she did to Kazuya, and it subtly affects her and, in effect, Reito for the rest of the story.
Spoiler:
The psychotic way Mai acts after Takumi dies is even blatantly copied from Akane's anime incarnation, minus the self-mutilation part they throw in EXA.

Barring one really dumb incident with Natsuki taking a whole chapter to ramble on about how the Childs are killing machines with no other purpose in life but to kill other Childs and murder a HiME's VIP immediately before demonstrating Duran's ability to fire harmless blank cartridges at Kagutsuchi's head (thus defeating the urgency of her entire speech in a single profound act), EXA is good. It treats the Festival arc seriously. The anime does not treat the Festival arc seriously, as all of the killings involve the HiME acting like complete idiots and allowing themselves to be manipulated by a guy they know has been lying to them for his own ends since the beginning of the series. This is in addition to the anime having the element of Mashiro, who knows exactly what's going on, knows another option is available from Day One, clearly hates the entire process of the festival in her mind (seeing as she constantly doubts herself after she lets Shiho attack Mai, and the only reason she exists in the anime's continuity is because she rejected OL in the last festival), and yet allows the killings to happen for no reason whatsoever. Every time the anime tries to be tragic, the plot ends up falling on its face because of this. I respect the anime for trying to do something unique with the Magical Girl genre, but it tries too hard, convinces itself it's waaay deeper than it really is, and ends up only deserving Darwin Awards for the sheer number of stupid, completely avoidable deaths it presents.

The anime's Festival arc wishes it was EXA.


Akane is a great character and fun to watch but believe when the time comes to face her demons. Her emotions could become life and death, soon Kazuya may not stop it.
So basically you're saying Akane is inherently emotionally fragile, and she's vulnerable to being driven crazy by trauma other than losing horribly?

Yeah, I wrote something like that once.


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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Highman on Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:19 pm

Abicion wrote:
Highman wrote:Well here's a protip, everyone dropped EXA because of Akane losing every time Mai burned Hari to the ground.
And those people have no taste.

The funny thing is, EXA's depiction of Akane is the fairest one yet. She's made to look formidable and she nearly kills Mikoto and Mai in her only HiME appearance. She fights with all of her heart for someone she legitimately cares for, and is only stopped by Kagutsuchi godmodding all over the place. She even does her own little version of the Crazy Eyes for a couple of panels.



And, after Akane's defeated, unlike Miyu (who's literally a machine programmed not to give a crap, avoiding such inconveniences as PLOT REPERCUSSIONS and CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT), Mai reacts quite badly upon realizing what she did to Kazuya, and it subtly affects her and, in effect, Reito for the rest of the story. The psychotic way Mai acts after
Spoiler:
Takumi dies
is even blatantly copied from Akane's anime incarnation, minus the self-mutilation part they throw in EXA.

Barring one really dumb incident with Natsuki taking an entire chapter to ramble on about how the Childs are killing machines with no other purpose in life but to kill other Childs and murder a HiME's VIP immediately before demonstrating Duran's ability to fire harmless blank cartridges at Kagutsuchi's head (because there's a perfectly logical explanation as to why a killing machine that allegedly exists only to kill other killing machines can deal with its enemies in a non-lethal manner), EXA is good. It treats the Festival arc seriously. The anime does not treat the Festival arc seriously, as all of the killings involve the HiME acting like complete idiots and allowing themselves to be manipulated by a guy they know has been lying to them for his own ends since the beginning of the series. This is in addition to the anime having the element of Mashiro, who knows exactly what's going on, knows another option is available from Day One, clearly hates the entire process of the festival in her mind (seeing as she constantly doubts herself after she lets Shiho attack Mai, and the only reason she exists in the anime's continuity is because she rejected OL in the last festival), and yet allows the killings to happen for no reason whatsoever. Every time the anime tries to be tragic, the plot ends up falling on its face because of this. I respect the anime trying to do something unique with the Magical Girl genre, but it tries too hard, convinces itself it's waaay deeper than it really is, and ends up only deserving Darwin Awards for the sheer number of stupid, completely avoidable deaths it presents.

The anime's Festival arc wishes it was EXA.


Akane is a great character and fun to watch but believe when the time comes to face her demons. Her emotions could become life and death, soon Kazuya may not stop it.
So basically you're saying Akane is inherently emotionally fragile, and she's vulnerable to being driven crazy by trauma other than losing horribly?

Yeah, I wrote something like that once.

IF I choose who make the best Carnival arc, then I would choose EXA without rushing nor taking it's time. As both of us fans, we want better story, Carnival is past behind us now HiME's are going fight for power, saving the world and kicking ass. For Akane's, she won't be an enigma but her mistake were mental errors. She has better fighting advantage and not afraid to take action with Kazuya along with her. That's what make Akane a better character, she's young, headstrong but needs sexual healing.

You know EXA was rushed right, just to make sure Abicion

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Abicion on Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:25 pm

EXA was about as long as it needed to be. If they had dragged it out, it only would have resulted in the writers trying to introduce too many characters, which was probably the source of nearly all of the anime's problems.

Oh, and if you're referring to the fact that Midori is only a HiME for an amazing three panels before being steamrolled by Shizuru: Welcome to the party, pal. EXA Shizuru is only full of as much crap as her anime incarnation was, if not substantially less due to EXA completely deleting the rape / slave owner subplot and portraying Shizuru more like she's actually concerned for Natsuki's safety. You only noticed it in EXA because Shizuru effortlessly destroyed a character people actually care about.

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Highman on Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:12 am

Abicion wrote:EXA was about as long as it needed to be. If they had dragged it out, it only would have resulted in the writers trying to introduce too many characters, which was probably the source of nearly all of the anime's problems.


How was EXA long? It took them a month, sales were a factor in this situation. Characters were not a factor but it's was the plot that took so long. You've got be neutral in making good arc's, that's what Yu-yu Hakusho, Sailor Moon and Rurouni Kenshin successful done because of it focus on the storyline........................Oh I forgot about Jojo and One Piece good continuation. You have to bring good story and profit from it. Sunrise is doing the right move on returning HiME next year (I hope!). Sunrise failed but not they have to execute it and see what they viewers think.

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Abicion on Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:41 am

Highman wrote:Yu-yu Hakusho, Sailor Moon and Rurouni Kenshin
All of these examples went on forever and drove themselves into mediocrity.

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Highman on Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:13 am

Abicion wrote:
Highman wrote:Yu-yu Hakusho, Sailor Moon and Rurouni Kenshin
All of these examples went on forever and drove themselves into mediocrity.

What about One Piece, Pokemon or Magic Knights Rayearth, Jojo or DBZ ?

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Abicion on Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:10 am

I've never watched Jojo. I've heard about the whole ZA WORLDO thing and remember an ad for the Dreamcast game, though.



I'm cool with Magic Knight Rayearth.

The rest of those went on for way too long and I think they're horrible.

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Kino karutta-chan on Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:09 pm

It would have been nice, if you had put the EXA spoilers in a spoiler-thingie, too, since I wait for the next translation and don't know how it ends yet ;D

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Well, I like the idea and it's amazing how much thought you put into it, but I still can't imagine that it really was like this. Maybe just because I don't want it to be true, who knows??

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Post by GhibliFreek on Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:05 pm

.....Your interpretation..........Its, beautiful *___________*

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Abicion on Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:15 am

By the way, in hindsight of everything you're told later on about how HiME powers work, Akane's anime subplot (pre-Miyu hijack) is a metaphor for teenage pregnancy. No, seriously. It's actually a lot more obvious than the crackpot theory at the beginning of this thread.

Akane secretly has a Child that was conceived from the love she has for her high school crush. She's afraid of telling him about it because she thinks he'll react by shunning her and dumping her.

Think about it for a few minutes.


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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Highman on Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:06 pm

Abicion wrote:

Akane secretly has a Child that was conceived from the love she has for her high school crush. She's afraid of telling him about it because she thinks he'll react by shunning her and dumping her.


NO! N...............O.............NO!!!

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Abicion on Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:55 pm

Highman wrote:NO! N...............O.............NO!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9KVIfpNG4w ?

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Re: A radically different interpretation of the Mai Hime anime

Post by Highman on Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:46 pm

Abicion wrote:
Highman wrote:NO! N...............O.............NO!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9KVIfpNG4w ?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s

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