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Post by Luu Sky Sapphire on Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:48 am

If Nao Yuuki loved and respected her mother so much...




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Something that always bugged me about Nao was her lifestyle. Forget that it was done for survival, post-Orphanage and revenge against men. Rather tell me *why* Nao couldn't find another way to deal with the pain of being separated from her mother. Now I know what you're going to say:

"Deal" with the pain? How dare you! All men who were stupid enough to fall into her clutches deserved what they got!!! blah blah blah *cry break*
Look at it from another perspective; one of Mrs. Yuuki's. Would she honestly be proud to see her daughter trapping pedophiles? By this point in the story, she could of got emotional support from her roommate Aoi. Heck, Nao had a roof over her head. The point is, she was ultimately luckier than most girls out there in the world. So if she loved and respected her mother, why didn't she think of what she would say about her actions? This includes all attempted murders (Mai, Natsuki, Shizuru, Takumi and Akira) by Nao in the Carnival arc.

Utilize this thread to give Nao other options and how her mother would feel. The only real argument I can see here is saying that we never knew Mrs. Yuuki as a character. While that's true, I find it hard to believe any mother would be happy to see their little girl being a liar, a thief and a would-be killer. So shed some light on Nao, her mother and the options that could of made her life a little better. Realistically speaking.

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Post by shezaei-neko on Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:35 pm

This might sound bad and not very helpful to Nao as a character and all that but...
Maybe, just maybe Nao knew that her mother wouldn't recover to see what she had done. So, she didn't have to worry about that her mother would say regarding her behavior and life style.
That's why she chose the "easy way". And IMO, to her, the end justified the means. Attracting different types of men so she could rob them was her way of getting easy money and avenging her mom in a way. Two birds with one stone.
Just like Natsuki she was blinded by vengeance against those who harmed her mom. But unlike Natsuki who was fighting against an organization, let's say that Nao was fighting against the whole male population. Not mattering that they were not all the same. And with that thought in mind, she kinda got "a bit" strayed along the way.
Making her unable to see, how fortunate she was on having a roof and a roommate like Aoi.
Also, maybe she got that roof using those mean, so, why would it matter how she got it? As long as she has it, the mean didn't matter if it helped her right?

 

This of course doesn't mean that she wouldn't cry over her mother's death when her CHILD was destroyed.
After all, it's all the family she had.

Now, let's say that Miss Yuuki did recover. Well, I guess she would feel quite disappointed on Nao, for what she did. But also she would feel guilty, because she indirectly led Nao to that path. Even if it wasn't her fault. So she would forgive Nao right away and instead would ask Nao's forgiveness for making do all that stuff. Despite it was Nao's choice.


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Post by Highman on Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:02 pm

I don't blame and understand Nao reason's to hate those who put her mother in a comatose state. Including, she trusted those who would take care of her after that incident and suddenly threw her away like it was nothing even to the fact the hospital bills was too much for anyone to pay up. Nao had no choice and despite those who gave her hell(ala First District/Yakuza). It's just too much for her to bear.

What about this, even in role reversal would Nao mother would have done the same and wouldn't shock me to believe that Nao's family have history with criminal organizations in the past. Nao's mother was trying to get away then suddenly caught entrapped with everything including First District purpose. When she refused, it came close to ending her life.

Nao mother's knows about her daughter doing petty things and she doesn't care all it matters that's she alive and still have a family.

Emotions can last for long, love and care to those can last an eternity.

Now where's my golly gee wilikers Nao/Nao mother's centric arcs

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Post by Luu Sky Sapphire on Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:13 pm

Mrs. Yuuki being involved with the very people who put her in that state would require a ridiculous amount of assumptions. What I can argue with is what Neko said about the ends justifying the means. Her mother doesn't need to know what transired during Nao's ordeal throughout the events of the anime series, but in this case, she does learn of what happened. The HiME, Shizuru, her eye...everything.

In my mind, Mrs. Yuuki would be greatly disappointed in Nao for everything that happened. I do think Nao will beg for forgiveness if faced with her mother's disapproval of her actions against innocent people. A mother is still a mother, so I'm confident Mrs. Yuuki will forgive Nao of her actions in the long run. Nobody was killed and knowing Nao helped save the planet in the end would be the redemption needed to ease her heart.

Still, it would take a long time to get there. Nao's actions were vicious and cruel, I mean, threatening a boy with a serious condition? Mrs. Yuuki would consider this lower than anything those men did to her. So expect a healing process for this mother-daughter relationship, albeit a lengthy one, imo.

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Post by Highman on Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:48 am

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:Mrs. Yuuki being involved with the very people who put her in that state would require a ridiculous amount of assumptions. What I can argue with is what Neko said about the ends justifying the means. Her mother doesn't need to know what transired during Nao's ordeal throughout the events of the anime series, but in this case, she does learn of what happened. The HiME, Shizuru, her eye...everything.

In my mind, Mrs. Yuuki would be greatly disappointed in Nao for everything that happened. I do think Nao will beg for forgiveness if faced with her mother's disapproval of her actions against innocent people. A mother is still a mother, so I'm confident Mrs. Yuuki will forgive Nao of her actions in the long run. Nobody was killed and knowing Nao helped save the planet in the end would be the redemption needed to ease her heart.

Still, it would take a long time to get there. Nao's actions were vicious and cruel, I mean, threatening a boy with a serious condition? Mrs. Yuuki would consider this lower than anything those men did to her. So expect a healing process for this mother-daughter relationship, albeit a lengthy one, imo.
That wouldn't make it to be interesting enough doesn't it...........

Mama Yuuki was greatly disappointed in everything what Nao did, that's why I believe she asked Yukariko to let Nao become a nun for punishment. I think the healing starts by taking time and fulfill those deeds that Nao has hurt. I think Mama Yuuki knows the whole situation about the Carnival and Fuuka history with the HiME star. Mother and daughter have a huge weight of personal demons that soon could break between one of them, it's involved with everything transpired.

For final episode:
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Mama Yuuki and Midori college prof. in the end standing each other foreshadowing both of'em have interest of each other:giggity: 

Spoiler:
Midori expression:Forever Alone: 

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Post by Luu Sky Sapphire on Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:12 pm

Haha, the whole nun thing could be discussed elsewhere. If Mrs. Yuuki was responsible for that, I'd be very surprised. It does makes sense when you think about it, taking my theory into account. The best way to make up for past sins is to cleanse people of their sins. XDDD Yukariko isn't doing a good job by the looks of episode 26's finale.

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Post by Highman on Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:05 pm

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:Haha, the whole nun thing could be discussed elsewhere. If Mrs. Yuuki was responsible for that, I'd be very surprised. It does makes sense when you think about it, taking my theory into account. The best way to make up for past sins is to cleanse people of their sins. XDDD Yukariko isn't doing a good job by the looks of episode 26's finale.
Yukariko better be praying to forgive lady fumi for her sins before her newborn to become the devil itself. More like sins of the mother for Mama Yuuki to do her best to Nao. I agree with you and shizaeki, the relationship is going to be rocky and it's going to have sudden implements for HiME's down the road upcoming series.

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Post by Luu Sky Sapphire on Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:38 pm

Highman wrote:
Yukariko better be praying to forgive lady fumi for her sins before her newborn to become the devil itself.
Newborn? More like newborns! Yukariko's load is larger than the average preggo belly:



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Post by Highman on Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:20 am

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:
Highman wrote:
Yukariko better be praying to forgive lady fumi for her sins before her newborn to become the devil itself.
Newborn? More like newborns! Yukariko's load is larger than the average preggo belly:



LOL!
and you know what's more funny Ishigami-san try avoid any means possible to Yukariko and being a goody two-shoes

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Post by Luu Sky Sapphire on Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:53 pm

It's like the guy is completely whipped now that Yukariko gained new found confidence. XD Anyway we're straying off topic now.

Bottom line, no mother would be proud to know what a child like Nao had to do to survive. Still, the fact that Nao managed to survive at all must fill Mrs. Yuuki's heart with happiness. We've discussed Nao and her behavior countless times in the past and I'm still on the fence when it comes to her actions. As opposed to then; I'm more sympathetic towards her now. Knowing she has a mother and is capable of loving someone other than herself.

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Post by Highman on Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:29 pm

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:It's like the guy is completely whipped now that Yukariko gained new found confidence. XD Anyway we're straying off topic now.

Bottom line, no mother would be proud to know what a child like Nao had to do to survive. Still, the fact that Nao managed to survive at all must fill Mrs. Yuuki's heart with happiness. We've discussed Nao and her behavior countless times in the past and I'm still on the fence when it comes to her actions. As opposed to then; I'm more sympathetic towards her now. Knowing she has a mother and is capable of loving someone other than herself.
I think Yukariko gained more confidence on losing weight to find Ishigami ass all over the place to take care of her child.

Also for Nao, she has Mikoto and her enemies for she cared enough. Like mother and daughter, both'em are going to be challenged of their relationship and bonding from one-another. To the fact that, I believe Mama Yuuki is single and always in-falling bad relationships with men, a possible crack pairing with Mama Yuuki and the Prof.

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Post by GAP on Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:30 pm

I know that if this were America, she would be in juvenile hall ten times over or at least in a foster home. Nao being a kogal wouldn't sit well with mom even if it was for a good cause.

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Post by Highman on Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:11 am

GAP wrote:I know that if this were America, she would be in juvenile hall ten times over or at least in a foster home.  Nao being a kogal wouldn't sit well with mom even if it was for a good cause.
She would have to wait around age 18 to have parole violation and become a felon. Mama Yuuki is in the same boat as her, like mother and daughter.

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Post by Luu Sky Sapphire on Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:22 pm

GAP wrote:I know that if this were America, she would be in juvenile hall ten times over or at least in a foster home.  Nao being a kogal wouldn't sit well with mom even if it was for a good cause.
At Nao's age, I had a sense of right and wrong. It was still in it's infancy of course. There's a desire to do whatever you want as a child; where the world is your playground. Nao made this clear whenever she made her argument about using her HiME powers anyway she wants. Natsuki even agrees to this...to some extent.

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Post by shezaei-neko on Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:54 pm

She wasn't that much of a child. She was already a teenager.
Sure, at that time you do many stupid things. But maybe since she had to be "alone", she had to "grow up" and earn money. Although she picked the wrong path.

I say she was pretty conscious of all she was doing. And I think that if her mom ever woke up and discovered what Nao had done, Nao would use the: "I did it for you" card.
Which IMO, is a punch below the belt...

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Post by Highman on Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:37 pm

shezaei-neko wrote:She wasn't that much of a child. She was already a teenager.
Sure, at that time you do many stupid things. But maybe since she had to be "alone", she had to "grow up" and earn money. Although she picked the wrong path.

I say she was pretty conscious of all she was doing. And I think that if her mom ever woke up and discovered what Nao had done, Nao would use the: "I did it for you" card.
Which IMO, is a punch below the belt...
Mama Yuuki wouldn't put up any bullshit, the bullshit would been thrown out before Nao even got there.

But hey, Mama Yuuki isn't worser than Nao in dealing family relationships like this.....:twisted: 

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Post by GAP on Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:26 am

Miss Yuuki would somewhat disappointed in her although she wouldn't condone what she did, she might understand why she did it. Nao is a troubled child who needed guidance or at leas decent job.

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Post by Luu Sky Sapphire on Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:12 pm

GAP wrote:Miss Yuuki would somewhat disappointed in her although she wouldn't condone what she did, she might understand why she did it. Nao is a troubled child who needed guidance or at leas decent job.
Is working as a nun at Fuuka chapel not a decent job? XD Probably just voluntary work anyway.


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Post by Highman on Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:05 am

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:
GAP wrote:Miss Yuuki would somewhat disappointed in her although she wouldn't condone what she did, she might understand why she did it. Nao is a troubled child who needed guidance or at leas decent job.
Is working as a nun at Fuuka chapel not a decent job? XD Probably just voluntary work anyway.

Unless it's popular high paying job better than the teachers wage in Fuuka, well I can see the benefits and moral reasons why being religious is a huge factor in life today. :twisted:

Also, it's start for Mama Yuuki getting that quick buck from Nao and being a moocher :twisted:

You reap what you sow:twisted: 

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Post by CaptainVonCookie on Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:44 am

Nao is a kid. While represented in a mature way, she's still a little kid. Not much room for serious pondering in traumatic circumstances!

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Post by Highman on Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:02 am

CaptainVonCookie wrote:Nao is a kid. While represented in a mature way, she's still a little kid. Not much room for serious pondering in traumatic circumstances!
and also Nao is a feminist too:Nao: :evil:

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Post by Luu Sky Sapphire on Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:32 pm

CaptainVonCookie wrote:Nao is a kid. While represented in a mature way, she's still a little kid. Not much room for serious pondering in traumatic circumstances!
I was THIS close, Cap. >:3 THIS CLOSE to agreeing with you! But there's a fart bubble in this bath:

Mikoto is presented to the audience as the child of the group. Nao is clearly more intelligent and on the ball compared to her. Cementing her mentality on more of an adult standard. She is a kid, no doubt about that, but a very smart one.

Okay, maybe not THAT smart. I mean...who banks on defeating Shizuru...twice!? Trollface 

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Post by shezaei-neko on Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:46 pm

I have to agree with Luu on this one. (who would've thought? XD )

Mikoto is the child character here. Nao certainly isn't. She in fact knows quite a lot and takes advantage of it to lure her victims. I mean, it's just an assumption, but most of her victims were lured in sexually. And she did say so, even if she didn't let any man touch her, she did it. Which is quite an understanding for a "child".

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Post by Highman on Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:08 am

shezaei-neko wrote:I have to agree with Luu on this one. (who would've thought? XD )

Mikoto is the child character here. Nao certainly isn't. She in fact knows quite a lot and takes advantage of it to lure her victims. I mean, it's just an assumption, but most of her victims were lured in sexually. And she did say so, even if she didn't let any man touch her, she did it. Which is quite an understanding for a "child".
True and the idealogy mind of a feminist :evil: 

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Post by CaptainVonCookie on Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:49 am

LOL OMG the fact that you took your time to look for the fart bubble amuses me to no end!!! XD You pervert!!!

You logic is a jacuzzi though! Pumba has entered the bathtub!! This is why:

This is anime, so of course we'll have 4 year olds saving the world and operating nuclear weapons! So the potato logic rules but whatever!

But Mikoto is the same age as Nao and (Shiho too?). Just because Nao acts older doesn't change the fact that she is a 14 year old girl, with severe childhood traumas! Living alone after experiencing such a cruel experience when young will leave sequels and force you to lose your naivete and innocence young making her appear mature and wise on certain subjects yes. However, the way she went about it just shows she has deep seeded problems in connecting and trusting people, has no interest in what's around her nor fully understands the consequences. She is just a 14 year old with power lashing out at the world because she can and nobody stops her! Nao is a sexualized child because she was forced to understand the concept since very young. Mikoto didn't have to deal with that, and the way she is and clings to her brother (jesus, they infantilized Mikoto to a retard level) it's likely she would have fallen into bed with anyone that acted like her onii-chan.

And while we're at it, let's not forget they saved the world and died in sacrifice and whatnot but they are 10/13/14/16/17 year olds!! And the adults aren't reliable!! But it's anime, so potato logic! Kids live alone, no police, no social entities and let's trust the kids with the weapon of mass destruction and hundreds of reasons to destroy the world!

I like Nao. I feel she's an incredibly meaningful character that sheds light into sordid situations people don't like to understand nor deal with.

Added edit (cuz I forgot) : Aims for Shizuru twice can be chalked to the child who wants to get even, but even adults lose their minds and forego cognitive reasoning when humiliated and defeated.

And she isn't a feminist. Feminists strive for human rights in gender equality. Not one up the men. Unfortunately there is still a need for movements like this, human rights get trampled all over the place.


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