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Post by Luu Sky Sapphire on Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:04 pm

Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

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Now we all know the story between Takeda Masashi and Natsuki Kuga. Everytime these two met, it always leads to a fanservice or "misunderstanding" comedy sequence. And while that's all well and good, some fans may actually see a connection between the the kendo man and the lone wolf. Observe the small hints that show Natsuki possible interest in the guy. I say Natsuki because we already know Takeda had the hots for Kuga:




^ Up here we see that Takeda trying extremely hard to start a conversation with the flustered Natsuki, due to her missing panties. I don't hate Takeda in the slightest, but for crying out loud, the guy is trying too hard and his awkwardness makes things worse. Technically, it is cute. Girls love awkwardness in a guy, but they expect some assertiveness as a follow up. ;p Just not TOO much assertiveness. To my amazement, Natsuki blushes at first sight of Takeda.




Takeda attempts to further the conversation at an obviously bad time for the Tsundere ice princess. Natsuki gets even more irritated, yet her blush intensifies? Does the thought of Takeda seeing her...cave...excite her or something?




Thar he blows!!!

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Moving ahead to Mai-HiME Episode 9 where Takeda spots Natsuki changing out of her biker suit. This does not please Natsuki one bit and the blushing, once again, could just be embarrassment.





Natsuki could easily leave the area by, I dunno, running? She just stand there allowing Takeda to get a better look at her boobs. And just when you think things could get anymore obvious:



Takeda is on the verse of confessing his love for Natsuki, before the obvious happens. "I've always..." Always what? Natsuki may of had suspicious about Takeda's feelings for a long time now. Think about the Mai-HiME prequel "Natsuki no Prelude":

http://shiznat.webs.com/natsukinopreludeeng.htm

Towards the end, Natsuki finally receives a confession of love from Takeda, only to reject for someone else...

Shizuru Kaichou

Probably the only time I'll be referencing ShizNat here. The speculation doesn't end here though, it actually ties in with another discussion we've had in the past:

http://ltahime.forum-motion.net/t876-was-natsuki-kuga-really-a-lesbian-mai-hime

If Natsuki never really had a sexual preference like a lot of fans have speculated, then a physical attraction in Takeda might of been legit. In the very episode where Takeda saw Natsuki's....cave...she defends the guy when he is wrongly caught as the rumored panty thief. Natsuki could of insisted it was him, because I don't think an Orphan came to mind. Heck, even Shizuru Fujino took notice of Takeda's interest in Natsuki by assuming that Takeda visited the Student Council Room just to see her.

In my opinion, Takeda x Natsuki COULD have worked if Natsuki were a little more comfortable around men. Takeda in return, could of won Natsuki's heart if he were a little more concerned about her. Instead of asking how the weather is, why couldn't he work up the nerve to ask if she's feeling okay or if there's anything wrong. Like Shizuru said in the fourth omake, Natsuki opens up very slowly if you're reasonably persistent.

Now for the million dollar question people: Why do you think Takeda and Natsuki would/could work?

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by ookamidesu on Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:34 am

I think Natsuki and Takeda would probably work out if Takeda was a lot less awkward about his object of affections. I mean, he's not really a bad guy and when he's not around Natsuki, he seems like a relatively serious guy, and I think Natsuki would like a guy that's serious. They'd most likely start off as friends, of course, because Natsuki is about as dense as a rock when it comes to romance. >.>;;

In any case, they'd start out as friends where Takeda and Natsuki actually get close and she will probably learn to rely on and trust him, even if it's just a little. Anyway, my point is... I don't know what my point is.

But they could probably work out like that. >.>;

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by IlliterateKoi on Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:25 pm

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote: Does the thought of Takeda seeing her...cave...excite her or something?

LOL cave XD

As for why it could work...well, to me, the fact that every time Natsuki see's Takeda she blushes just makes it seem like she likes him. If you took some of his awkwardness away, and made Natsuki a little less hostile, it could work. As Dye said, they would almost certainly start out as friends, and after time (or maybe some alcohol lol) their relationship would change :3 Look at what happened with Shizuru, if she hadn't been Natsuki's best friend would Natsuki ever have considered a romantic relationship with her? I seriously doubt it.

And now I'm just thinking about that ShizuruXTakeda doujinshi >.<;;;

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by ookamidesu on Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:12 am

IlliterateKoi wrote:
Luu Sky Sapphire wrote: Does the thought of Takeda seeing her...cave...excite her or something?

LOL cave XD

As for why it could work...well, to me, the fact that every time Natsuki see's Takeda she blushes just makes it seem like she likes him. If you took some of his awkwardness away, and made Natsuki a little less hostile, it could work. As Dye said, they would almost certainly start out as friends, and after time (or maybe some alcohol lol) their relationship would change :3 Look at what happened with Shizuru, if she hadn't been Natsuki's best friend would Natsuki ever have considered a romantic relationship with her? I seriously doubt it.

And now I'm just thinking about that ShizuruXTakeda doujinshi >.<;;;

There's a ShizuruXTakeda doujin?! Where?! O_O!

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by IlliterateKoi on Mon Jun 25, 2012 3:32 am

ookamidesu wrote:
There's a ShizuruXTakeda doujin?! Where?! O_O!

There is indeed! I'll send you the link later if I can find it Razz

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by ookamidesu on Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:09 am

IlliterateKoi wrote:
ookamidesu wrote:
There's a ShizuruXTakeda doujin?! Where?! O_O!

There is indeed! I'll send you the link later if I can find it Razz

This in itself is another crack pairing that could be added to the forum list. XD

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by Luu Sky Sapphire on Mon Jun 25, 2012 4:33 pm

I don't have a doujinshi dedicated to Takeda x Natsuki, but there is a portion that focuses on Takeda making love to an uke Kuga in the woods. :3 How romantic and all too familiar...*ahem* ANYWAY, i'll share scans of that if anyone's interesting in STRAIGHTNESS. ;P

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by Twisted Eternal Wolvetta on Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:15 pm

I hate how much people abuse Takeda! Anyhow.

I think in reality, it should have been Takeda/Natsuki all along. As much as some people would hate it, everyone has to admit over how perfectly their personalities and traits mix together.

Hell, if I was a student at Fuuka I would've been friends with him almost instantaneously.

He is a person who is dedicated and willing to listen. But he gets so nervous and begins to panic when he has no control over a situation. I suspect that he hasn't been in a relationship yet, the reason for his personality when around Natsuki. He doesn't know what to do, so he wanders aimlessly both mentally and physically when thinking over things, a reason for his appearances out of nowhere during training.

I would much rather see him with Natsuki than the manipulating, clingy obsessions of ShizNatsu.

With TakeNatsu, it would start out steady and gradually become comfortable, like any loving relationship should be like. Not one where you need to use children to gain your supposed lovers attention.

Akira Okuzaki We need a Takeda emoticion.

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by Zweifel Marguerite on Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:40 pm

I would much rather see him with Natsuki than the manipulating, clingy obsessions of ShizNatsu.
That.
I can just agree with this.Perfectly said.


I hate how much people abuse Takeda!
I think people have quite the hard time taking Takeda seriously, because Sunrise used him as a character for the comedy reliefs. That is really sad, because people just don't know how awesome Takeda can actually be. All that the guy lacks is a chance.
He is a supportive person (we can see it when we look at his conversations with Tate), he is determined and really persistent, he is always ready to work on himself (I mean - just look at all that kendo training). *sigh*
Seriously, Sunrise, let him have a decent conversation with Natsuki at least once.


:Akira Okuzaki: We need a Takeda emoticion.
Yes. *nods*

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by CaptainVonCookie on Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:43 pm

I like Takeda! I also think he's perfect the way he is! Extremely awkward, with bad-timing and intended for comic relief. But, we also see the seriousness in the guy, his commitment to his responsabilities and a strong sense of loyalty! In my mind he finds happiness!! (and continues to get himself into hilarious bad situations)

Had things been diferent and Shizuru not in the picture as a 24/7 watchful stock-cof cof-guardian, I could see the two becoming friends and Natsuki warming up to the idea of being something more with such a good guy.

Now with that said... They'd be one hell of a boring couple! I find the idea of a lovable character that means well and hasn't got one ounce of not evil, but conflicting feelings, having everything turning out okay to be extremely boring. They'd function as a lovable couple with frequent funny mishaps, but all in all we'd win a lovable couple and lose a magnificent character.

Even Reito with Natsuki would be more interesting! One plotting and one avoiding the other!


And one more vote for the Takeda emoticon!


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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by Jack on Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:22 am

Ivenetta-Zweifel wrote:
I would much rather see him with Natsuki than the manipulating, clingy obsessions of ShizNatsu.
That.
I can just agree with this.Perfectly said.


I hate how much people abuse Takeda!
I think people have quite the hard time taking Takeda seriously, because Sunrise used him as a character for the comedy reliefs. That is really sad, because people just don't know how awesome Takeda can actually be. All that the guy lacks is a chance.
He is a supportive person (we can see it when we look at his conversations with Tate), he is determined and really persistent, he is always ready to work on himself (I mean - just look at all that kendo training). *sigh*
Seriously, Sunrise, let him have a decent conversation with Natsuki at least once.


:Akira Okuzaki: We need a Takeda emoticion.
Yes. *nods*
Totally agree. Give Takeda another seven years and he will be a dangerous man with the lady's though. Almost every guy is a dork in high school.

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by Nemia Dai De Windbloom on Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:48 am

They should try that.....the relationship thingy...but he will die soon if that happens. What about Shizzy? Yeah consider him dead

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by Chaglette on Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:20 am

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:I don't have a doujinshi dedicated to Takeda x Natsuki, but there is a portion that focuses on Takeda making love to an uke Kuga in the woods. :3 How romantic and all too familiar...*ahem* ANYWAY, i'll share scans of that if anyone's interesting in STRAIGHTNESS. ;P

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by Jack on Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:36 pm

Nemia Dai De Windbloom wrote:They should try that.....the relationship thingy...but he will die soon if that happens. What about Shizzy? Yeah consider him dead
Better than dying alone. Natsuki is worth it to Takeda.

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by Wolf-of-Wind on Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:07 am

Jack wrote:
Ivenetta-Zweifel wrote:
I would much rather see him with Natsuki than the manipulating, clingy obsessions of ShizNatsu.
That.
I can just agree with this.Perfectly said.


I hate how much people abuse Takeda!
I think people have quite the hard time taking Takeda seriously, because Sunrise used him as a character for the comedy reliefs. That is really sad, because people just don't know how awesome Takeda can actually be. All that the guy lacks is a chance.
He is a supportive person (we can see it when we look at his conversations with Tate), he is determined and really persistent, he is always ready to work on himself (I mean - just look at all that kendo training). *sigh*
Seriously, Sunrise, let him have a decent conversation with Natsuki at least once.


:Akira Okuzaki: We need a Takeda emoticion.
Yes. *nods*
Totally agree. Give Takeda another seven years and he will be a dangerous man with the lady's though. Almost every guy is a dork in high school.

First off, I agree with Ivenetta-Zweifel.
Absolutely. I seems rather cruel of Sunrise to have Takeda throw his feelings for Natsuki out and into the open, and not even give the guy a sliver of hope.
And Takeda is definitely a comical relief character. Poor guy gets his arse kicked by Kuga because of it.

As for what Jack said... Yes, yes, and YES. Takeda will be a total lady-killer once he gets over that awkwardness. Why he's awkward in the first place, I don't know; I assume it's because he's never liked a girl as much as he likes Natsuki.
... Someone should write a fanfic about Natsuki running into Takeda a few years after Mai-HiME ends. Y'know, when he's less "awkward-tendo-club-captain Takeda" and more "have-to-keep-security-guards-with-me-at-all-times-because-the-ladies-can't-get-enough-of-me Takeda." Wink

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by Natsuki-chan on Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:45 am

CaptainVonCookie wrote:
Now with that said... They'd be one hell of a boring couple! I find the idea of a lovable character that means well and hasn't got one ounce of not evil, but conflicting feelings, having everything turning out okay to be extremely boring. They'd function as a lovable couple with frequent funny mishaps, but all in all we'd win a lovable couple and lose a magnificent character.

I agree with this. Without the infamous couple that has more than half of the series' fanbase, Mai-Hime will just be another ordinary show. There are too many usual or common anime out there that has normal relationships, I don't think Takeda x Natsuki pairing would stand out. For me, Sunrise played their cards well by investing in yuri instead & created one of the most popular pairings in that genre.

Takeda is good, but not good enough for the character of Natsuki, imo.

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by hildebrant on Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:39 pm

wow with a topic like this it almost makes me believe that there's hope for Takeda amongst the fanbase the way he is and not as another rage-a-hol addict or ultra violent loner like I'd prefer to see him as

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Re: Takeda x Natsuki: The heterosexual couple that wasn't to be?

Post by PostoronnimV on Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:35 am

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:Natsuki gets even more irritated, yet her blush intensifies? Does the thought of Takeda seeing her...cave...excite her or something?
LOL... It had sent me into giggling fit! But if to be serious, I think all of this was just because of embarrassment... =))

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:In the very episode where Takeda saw Natsuki's....cave...she defends the guy when he is wrongly caught as the rumored panty thief. Natsuki could of insisted it was him, because I don't think an Orphan came to mind.
To be fair, Natsuki already knew by that time that the culprit was an Orphan, and Natsuki is not Nao, she does not enjoy the humiliation and sufferings of others. Plus, Shizuru also defended Takeda, so Shizuru obviously doesn't feel threatened enough by Takeda...

Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:
Takeda's reaction shows that he isn't a gentleman, he is simple hormonal teenager. And he is in love not with Natsuki. He is in love with her beauty, because he never tried to know her, to befriend her.

And as a comparison, Reito's reaction, when he saw Mai's panties. Reito, unlike Takeda, is a gentleman!



Luu Sky Sapphire wrote:Now for the million dollar question people: Why do you think Takeda and Natsuki would/could work?
I do not think, that Takeda and Natsuki could work, even if Shizuru wasn't in the picture.

Because, even though Takeda isn't bad guy, but he is very-very-very simple-minded guy, because during all the time he did not change his tactics of courting Natsuki, even though he saw that it do not bring any fruit... be he a little less simple-minded, then he would have changed his tactic...

Natsuki simply would be bored in Takeda's company. I think, Reito would have a better chance of winning her, but he had no interest in Natsuki.

I think, what drew Natsuki to Shizuru is that Shizuru is very intellectual and interesting person, in her company is interesting to be, her thoughts are interesting to listen to. Therefore, in the end, Natsuki let Shizuru in and made ​​friends with her.

And a few examples from "Natsuki no Prelude" to prove that Natsuki did not have romantic feelings for Takeda at all:

Spoiler:

1. "Takeda Masahi.

He was a male student, in the same class as Shizuru, class D. He'd aimed to become the captain of the Kendo Club. One day, even though they'd never really talked to each other, he suddenly appeared in Natsuki's class room, flower bouquet in hand, and with a beet red face asked her out in from of the entire class. A strong character he was, so to speak.

Of course, he was met with a soul-wrecking defeat. But, he did not give up, using everything he could think of to continue his clumsy advances. He seemed to be an honest guy, and even though being treated so cruelly made his heart ache a bit, he felt that, although regrettable, it couldn't be helped. For Natsuki was someone who seemed pretty opposed to embracing the opposite sex."
Natsuki rejected Takeda many times and visibly made ​​it clear that she is not interested... I think any sensible person would have understood the not-so-subtle hint... but not Takeda... he still continued to bother her... irritating her further... And he did not care about Natsuki's feelings, he cared only about his feelings for Natsuki... because otherwise he would have stopped annoy her, seeing that it causes negative emotions in her...

2. Another example:

"But aren't I worried about you all the time? Also, it isn't just me whose mind is occupied with Natsuki, is it? For example--"

Shizuru continued as a strange seriousness shrouded her eyes.

"--- the Kendo Club's captain."

"-----!"

Natsuki couldn't help but flinch at the mention of his name.

Takeda Masahi.
Natsuki did not blush, Natsuki did flinch! ... And this is a very telling reaction!

3. Continuation:

"..... Sorry, I hate being reminded of that big idiot making a fuss about me."

"Oh really? But if I'm not mistaken, didn't it make you just a little happy?"

"It absolutely definitely did not!!"

Shizuru gave a small smile at Natsuki's profuse denial. Any anxiety she had been feeling about the situation washed away.

"Besides, he has given up, hasn't he? I haven't seen him since he became second-year."

"That's because the prefecture's kendo tournament is about to begin and some things have happened within the kendo club. He can't advance if those affairs aren't settled. He doesn't really seem like the kind of guy who would give up..."

"The kendo club? Oh, right, now that you mention it, it was Tate... Yuuichi, right? He was injured or something..."

She hadn't been all that well informed about the incident, but they were in the same class their second year of middle school, so she knew of him. He was the future ace the kendo club had set all their hopes on.

"Seems to be quite a severe injury.... Takeda-kun told me how heartbroken he is that he isn't able to see Natsuki while he is busy dealing with these affairs..."

"Well, what’s bad for Tate is good for me."

"You shouldn't say such things... it is a very serious matter for Tate-kun."

"... I guess. But, I can't help but being a grateful."

"Mou... Natsuki is such a meanie."

Even though her words were scolding, there was relief mixed within Shizuru's tone.
Shizuru felt relief and her anxiety she had been feeling about the situation was washed away... and since Shizuru is good at reading people, that means that she understood that she has nothing to worry about, he's not a threat to her, Natsuki is not interested in him at all.

4. And the last example:

Distancing herself from Takeda's feelings had been an easy task for her. She felt relief, and even a little nostalgia as she thought about it. She hadn't given him any reply, besides a sending a short message that said "Thank you. I'm sorry." before he left when the school was closed down.
Natsuki felt relief, and she would not have felt relief, if Takeda's feelings hadn't been a burden to her.

So yeah... All of this is pretty much tells me, that the possibility of Takeda and Natsuki couple is equal to zero.

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